
In this episode, Debb and Deb welcome guest Kathryn Gordon, a practicing witch, as they discuss paganism, magic, and why you shouldn’t believe everything you see in the movies!

In this episode, Debb and Deb welcome guest Kathryn Gordon, a practicing witch, as they discuss paganism, magic, and why you shouldn’t believe everything you see in the movies!

In this episode, Debb and Deb dive deep into the Easter celebration (chocolate bunnies optional).

Debb and Deb are back, discussing Lent, introspection, and Easter memories.

In this episode, Debb and Deb wax eloquent(ish) on the history, culture, and community of the holiday seasons. Pour yourself some warm mulled cider, grab a gingerbread cookie, and explore the season on this Very Special Holiday Episode™.

In this episode, Debb and Deb grab their umbrellas, gather together the pets, and head off for a voyage with Noah and the gang. From archeological geekery to an honest look at the power of forgiveness, get ready for a stormy ride!

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In this episode, Debb and Deb hang out with one of the most misunderstood and misinterpreted characters in the Bible – Mary Magdalene. Contrary to popular belief, she was not a prostitute and she was most definitely not Jesus’ wife (sorry to fans of The Da Vinci Code!)

In this episode, Debb and Deb step back through time to the very beginning of things in the Garden of Eden. From Adam, Eve, and Steve to the apple, the snake, and the forbidden tree, Team Metaphor takes a kinder, more compassionate look at the so-called fall of humanity.

Debb and Deb here, with a Public Service Announcement. We want to extend our prayers to those who have been affected by Hurricane Ida in the Gulf of Mexico coastal region as well as in New York and New Jersey. Prayers are a great start, especially if they lead to action. Here are a few resources if you need help or if you wish to help.

In this episode, Debb and Deb go to Hell. From Hades to Hollywood, they discuss the metaphors and mythos of Hell, including who believes what, and how the fear of Hell has been used to both frighten and control people throughout the centuries.
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