The Preacher and the Pagan with Deborah Suddard and Deborah Baudoin is a casual discussion of faith, history, and the places where folks of different beliefs can intersect in a meaningful and positive way. Join Debb and Deb as they tackle such topics as Hell, The Garden of Eden, and Mary Magdalene from both a scholarly and holistic perspective.
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10 Steps for Resistance
Debb and Deb return with a new passion for making the world a kinder, saner, and more spiritually empowered place. In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss ten ways you can use your faith as a powerful tool for political resistance.
Reclaiming Anger
Debb and Deb return with a new passion for making the world a kinder, saner, and more spiritually empowered place. In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss anger – its social context, consequences, and use in propelling people into into just action.
Season 2: We’re Back!
Debb and Deb return for a second season with a new look, a new sound, and a new passion for making the world a kinder, saner, and more spiritually empowered place. In this episode, Debb and Deb catch up on recent world events, their effects on us personally, and how all of us can convert…
Episode 30: The Faith and Ecology Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss conservation, ecology, and the spiritual implications of our choices when protecting our planet’s environment.
Episode 29: The Take Back the Faith Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the not-so-modern concept of Christian Nationalism as well as the duty we have to reclaim our faith from those who would corrupt it for personal and political gain. Also, a primer on how to recognize and combat generational, cultural, and spiritual divisions manufactured specifically to weaken and demoralize.
Episode 28: The Living Faith Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the rituals and structures of faith, those tools we use to express and support the real work of living a life of faith and spirituality.
ENCORE: The Noah Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb grab their umbrellas, gather together the pets, and head off for a voyage with Noah and the gang. From archeological geekery to an honest look at the power of forgiveness, get ready for a stormy ride!
Episode 27: The Square One Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the tools needed for having difficult conversations with people from opposing viewpoints. From Square One. which is mutual respect, all the way through understanding and accepting that the only solution may be agreeing there is no easy solution, this episode digs deep into the core of conflict resolution…
Episode 26: The Pet Peeves Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb talk pet peeves – those niggling little annoyances that drive them crazy about their faiths. From “Biblical” consumerism to “Can you make Johnnie love fall in love with me?” the Deb(b)s speak truth about faith-based foolishness.
Episode 25: The Four Gospels Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the Gospels–not just the four that made it into the Big Book, but the multiple others that never made the cut. Who wrote them? Who followed them? And who decided on the Final Four Christians know today?
Repost: The It’s a Wonderful Rerun Episode
Like so many of us, Debb and Deb have succumbed to Holiday Madness. So while they cook, clean, they decorate, shlep, sweat, and possibly swear a bit, feel free to relax and enjoy this Holiday episode from the very beginning. In this episode, Debb and Deb wax eloquent(ish) on the history, culture, and community of…
Episode 24: The Patriarchy Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the patriarchy. Yup, the patriarchy and “godliness” and all those complications that distract from the basic purpose of faith–to make the world a better place. (Oh, and that patriarchy stuff? Yeah, more Zeus than Jesus…)
Episode 23: The DIY Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the ins and out of faith in the modern world, and how people of faith need to evolve and adapt if we are to grow.
Episode 22: The Alpha and Omega Episode, pt 2
In the fun-filled conclusion of this 2-part episode, Debb and Deb discuss eschatology, the study of death, apocalypse and the end of Life, the Universe, and Everything!
Episode 22: The Alpha and Omega Episode, pt 1
In this episode, Debb and Deb hop into the Way-Back Machine to discuss Biblical creation myths, the Big Bang theory, and how how you think the world started affects how you interact with it.
Episode 21: The Babel Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss history’s first example word-salad, the Tower of Babel. Join us in a rollicking half-hour of history, mythology, and subtle existential dread.
Episode 20: The Origins Episode
Discover the SHOCKING Origins of the Bible Kept HIDDEN from the Public! Not really, but every legend deserves an origin story. In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the historical factors that led to the writing, development, and eventual misinterpretations of the Greatest Story Ever….compiled?
Episode 19: The Women in the Gospels Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb battle sleep deprivation and spring fever to discuss the mostly forgotten (or ignored) role women played in the Gospels, as well as in the intellectual and spiritual development of the early Christian Church.
Episode 18: The Fifteen…uh, Twelve Apostles Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb take a closer look at the apostles, Jesus’ inner circle of disciples–the who, what, and how many of it all. Turns out, we really don’t know all that much….
Encore Episode: The Easter Episode
At the moment, Debb and Deb are taking some time off to deal with Real Life. We’ll be back soon with new episodes, but please feel free to enjoy one of our earlier episodes: The Easter Episode.
Encore Episode: The Mary Magdalene Episode
At the moment, Debb and Deb are taking some time off to deal with Real Life. We’ll be back soon with new episodes, but please feel free to enjoy one of our earlier episodes: Mary Magdalene Truth Bombs.
Episode 17: The Meet the Parents Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb take a closer look at Mary and Joseph, the people who helped shape the man Jesus became – who they were, who they weren’t, and why there are so many myths and misconceptions about them.
Episode 16: The Star Trek Episode
Debb and Deb dig into the world of Star Trek and its depiction of faith and spirituality, both positive and negative. Resources The Gospel According to Star Trek by Kevin C Neese US | Canada
Episode 15: The Halloween Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb talk about all things spooky, creepy, and historically Halloween. From pagan rituals to All Souls Day, it’s a fun-filled treat of an episode.
Episode 14: The Parables Episode, Pt. 2
In the second of this two-part episode, Debb and Deb continue their discussion of parables Resources Dr. Amy Jill LevineWebsiteFacebook Short Stories by Jesus (CA) | Short Stories by Jesus (US) Diana Butler Bass Website FacebookTwitter Nadia Bolz-Weber:PodcastWebsite FacebookTwitter Rev. Dr. William J Barber IIPoor People’s Campaign Website and FacebookDr. Barber’s Twitter
Episode 13: The Parables Episode, Pt. 1
In this two-part episode, Debb and Deb discuss the role of parables in culture, education, and the development of faith. Episode One discusses the historical use of storytelling as a tool of cultural development as well as moral and social education. Episode Two will delve into some of the more commonly misinterpreted parables in the…
Episode 12: The Reproductive Rights Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss women’s reproductive rights and the misuse of Christian doctrine to try to deny those rights. What do two women past child-bearing age have to say on the subject? Quite a lot. (Warning: Deb from the U.S. does drop an F-bomb in the episode if that sort of thing…
Episode 11: The OG Church Ladies Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the leadership role of women in the early Christian Church. No matter how much some try to erase them from history, the archaeological remains don’t lie. NOTE: As promised, here is the link to the infamous Episcopa Theodora mosaic. Sorry, dude. You can change the name all you…
Episode 10: The Trinity Episode
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss one of the most misinterpreted concepts in Christianity: The Holy Trinity.
Episode 9: The Pagan Connection
In this episode, Debb and Deb welcome guest Kathryn Gordon, a practicing witch, as they discuss paganism, magic, and why you shouldn’t believe everything you see in the movies!
The Barefoot Evangelist 