
In this episode, Debb and Deb welcome guest Kathryn Gordon, a practicing witch, as they discuss paganism, magic, and why you shouldn’t believe everything you see in the movies!

In this episode, Debb and Deb welcome guest Kathryn Gordon, a practicing witch, as they discuss paganism, magic, and why you shouldn’t believe everything you see in the movies!

In this episode, Debb and Deb dive deep into the Easter celebration (chocolate bunnies optional).

Debb and Deb are back, discussing Lent, introspection, and Easter memories.

In this episode, Debb and Deb wax eloquent(ish) on the history, culture, and community of the holiday seasons. Pour yourself some warm mulled cider, grab a gingerbread cookie, and explore the season on this Very Special Holiday Episode™.

In this episode, Debb and Deb grab their umbrellas, gather together the pets, and head off for a voyage with Noah and the gang. From archeological geekery to an honest look at the power of forgiveness, get ready for a stormy ride!

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In this episode, Debb and Deb hang out with one of the most misunderstood and misinterpreted characters in the Bible – Mary Magdalene. Contrary to popular belief, she was not a prostitute and she was most definitely not Jesus’ wife (sorry to fans of The Da Vinci Code!)

In this episode, Debb and Deb step back through time to the very beginning of things in the Garden of Eden. From Adam, Eve, and Steve to the apple, the snake, and the forbidden tree, Team Metaphor takes a kinder, more compassionate look at the so-called fall of humanity.

In this episode, Debb and Deb go to Hell. From Hades to Hollywood, they discuss the metaphors and mythos of Hell, including who believes what, and how the fear of Hell has been used to both frighten and control people throughout the centuries.
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The first episode of The Preacher and the Pagan introduces our hosts, Debb Suddard and Deborah Baudoin. Join the Deb(b)s as they discuss theology, history, their individual spiritual paths, and what they hope to accomplish with this podcast.
About the Debs:
Deborah Suddard has two Master degrees in Theology: an M.Div. where she trained to be a minister and liturgist, and an M.A. specializing in Contextual Theology and History. She is Canadian, married, and the mother of four brilliant, curious, talented children (by her own modest admission.) When she’s not living the good life as a religion nerd, she takes virtual hikes around the globe, has her own business (Devlyn Originals), and is an advocate for women, minorities, and other oppressed groups.
Deborah Baudoin has a Bachelor’s in English Literature. She is a U.S. citizen currently soaking up the sun in Arizona. A Recovering Catholic, she and her wife Kat are practicing pagans. When she is not grooving on all things spiritual, she knocks around reading tarot cards, writing fiction and music, arguing politics, and basically making a joyful noise during her time here on Earth.